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Prior to the spring of 2011, the record number of tornadoes in a single month was 542, set in May 2004, while the record for April was only 267.The 2011 Tornado Super Outbreak by contrast, had 362 confirmed tornadoes. A powerful low pressure system combined with moist and unstable atmospheric conditions to produce this now-infamous tornado outbreak. A tornado outbreak triggered 25 tornadoes on Tuesday across five states: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri and Kansas. Overall, there were 73 damaging storm reports in the last 24 hours from Texas to Illinois with large hail in Illinois.
Contents.Unsourced tornadoes @ and: We can only add the tornadoes if they're appropriately sourced to the SPC or NWS. Taking random bits from twitter or chase feeds that aren't of proper reliability violates and/or. We can't make the determination of damage being from a tornado nor can we claim such based off non-expert (majority of chasers) statements. 03:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Well if we can only take confirmed reports then every unconfirmed tornado except the EF1 in Texas needs to be taken off. You can't pick and choose. We have been doing this for years with no problem.
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03:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)I have removed all the non-confirmed tornadoes. I generally leave the tornado table alone until confirmations start flowing in, but I was under the assumption that those listed came from the LSRs.
We can't just add tornadoes to the table based on what we see in radar, that is a clear OR violation. Like I said in the summary, feel free to start sections for the significant tornadoes as long as they're referenced. ( ) 03:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)The only reason I do that anyway is to make it easier to add surveys in once they come in. I wouldn't do that if there wasn't some kind of confirmation.
What if I hide them on this page so they don't appear? 03:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Are the warnings themselves not reliable sources? ) 03:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC) If you want to keep the table you're compiling, the best option is to keep it in a userspace sandbox.
When things are confirmed you can easily transfer them over without the other information being fully open to others. If the warnings explicitly say confirmed then that's a valid source and it can be added. 03:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Question: Is it a little two early to list confirmed (or unconfirmed) tornadoes or casualties in the infobox (or even start a chart for them)? And what about the Radar-estimated winds (since that cannot be used as evidence)?- 03:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)The casualties can be added since we always include non-tornadic events, so regardless of the cause they would be there. However, we can't attribute them directly to a tornado or wind damage unless it's stated in the source. Radar estimated winds in this case were explicitly mentioned by the SPC in a mesoscale discussion so it has a reliable source. 03:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Ok, thanks.
It might be a good idea to hold off adding any more tornadoes until either the damage survey come in, or SPC/NWS stated any evidence of other confirmed storms.- 03:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Is there a source that has the NWS ratings for any of the tornadoes on the table? I would like to look for more confirmed ratings to add to it. 06:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Only two surveys have been completed and published so far. We won't have more info until tomorrow morning or afternoon when surveys continue. 06:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Where are the two completed surveys? I found one from Iowa State but the local NWS hasn’t posted yet.
18:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)NWS offices release survey results through Public Information Statements which are easily accessed through Iowa State. 18:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC) 'Easter'? The first two seem a bit Christian and epidemiological for metereological phenomena, unlike the third word.
03:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)'Tornado outbreak' is the official terminology for a series of tornadoes in a relatively short period of time. There's no formal given number, but general consensus is at least six. Regarding 'Easter', that's the holiday it occurred on in a majority catholic country. Many outbreaks have become colloquially and formally referred to by holiday or observance they occurred on, i.e.,. If such a name arises, we use that as the title in accordance with. This is the case with the which didn't occur on a holiday, but was given a name to identify.
03:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Um? Today is Easter, a federally recognized holiday; also, this was a tornado outbreak. 04:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)I didn't know Sunday counted as a federal holiday. I suppose 'outbreak' is common with tornadoes. I'd have thought 'cluster' or 'system'.
04:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Actually it isn't an official government holiday, but it and Good Friday are recognized and observed by many institutions. Still, it is a well-known holiday and Easter will be synonymous with this outbreak in the future, such as Cyclonebiskit's examples of Super Tuesday and Palm Sunday. 04:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC) 'Tornado outbreak', however, is used by meteorologist, weather experts and weather people everywhere (including NWS/SPC/NOAA). And as noted by and this is not the first articles of tornadoes and tornado outbreaks named in such a way in Wikipedia - or anywhere else.- 04:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Aye, that last part sounds normal through repetition already, good choice! Easter/Easter Sunday, maybe, time will tell. The year will never be part of this one's common name, but I know you weather(wo)men prefer them, so I can look the other way on that. 04:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Tornado reports How do you change tornadoes confirmed to tornado reports as many of the reports are up for debate if they should be confirmed or not?
05:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)It's not our place to determine if a report should be counted as a confirmed tornado or not. We have to wait until there's explicit confirmation of them by the local National Weather Service offices. 06:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)I asked that wrong. Can we only put the confirmed tornadoes or is there a way to put the reports along with the confirmed?
17:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)We're only putting confirmed events into the table. 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Tornado Locations Should we be putting in both beginning and end locations, or just the beginning? For example: 'SE of Currie to S of Burgaw' vs 'SE of Currie'. Does it matter? How should I go about entering them?I've noticed several entries omit the end location. 22:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Yes we should be doing that.
It is just lazy editing. Put in as many as you find! 22:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Generally speaking, I've always used 12 miles as the threshold for one city vs. Multiple (with the exception being if it moved through multiple cities).
It cuts down on the amount of clutter in the table. There's no set standard though. ( ) 22:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC) I usually just do what the survey says. 22:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Same, I generally find that info from NWS and survey report info.
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If a tornado has a short track NW of Town, it's too repetitive to type 'NW of Town to NW of '. Also some tracks stay within one community. Conversely depending on the NWS data, sometimes even a short path can take it into a different community (esp in cities and suburbs). It just depends on data and I wouldn't want a hard rule. If you think it's needed put it in and we can always clean the table as the rush to input dies down. 22:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Okay thanks, I guess I'll just handle it case-by-case for the most part. 22:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Tornado deaths I feel as if this outbreak has been very difficult in the fact it's been hard to determine the actuall number of deaths, how many in each state, where in the state, if they're tornado related or not.
In the overview of this outbreak it says we have 30 deaths confirmed making it the deadliest tornado outbreak since April of 2014. But further down in the article it states there are only 28 tornado related deaths with 4 not related. Which # is right? I also feel like the tornado deaths for each tornado aren't accurate.
I believe there we 10 deaths in and around the Chattanooga area where this article only states 2. 22:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)The line between direct and indirect is always blurry in widespread and multieffective killers like the wind. But it seems either number makes it the deadliest outbreak since the last one, so both are right that way. I think a tree falling on a guy during gusty weather is close enough to immediate. 00:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)The point of this chat was to just see if the numbers were right and for the right areas, theres no need to be all defensive and toxic about it, come on man.
00:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)And I was just saying the numbers are fuzzy, the 'deadliest since' area of the lead is right regardless and counting the fallen tree North Carolinian in 'Non-tornadic impacts' is (possibly) wrong. Nothing cruel intended. Can I ask how those ten Chattanooganish people died, or is it too soon to share a link? 02:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)I honestly dont know how many and/or where each death occured in and around that area. I know there were a couple deaths directly with the Chattanooga tornado, 5 with an EF2 in northern Georgia and 1-3 others around the same area.
It was very confusing since there were so many deaths in and around the same area from several different tornadoes. 02:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)What are you getting at? Just wait for reliable sources to sort everything out. 02:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)It's partly on us to interpret those sources. Why do we have a section about non-tornadic impact in a tornadic article? Why do some non-tornadic things count toward the tornadic infobox figures and not others?
03:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Also, the weather channel has 45 tornadoes with 6 EF3's. Some of you are going to say they arent a reliable source but they have to get their info from a reliable source to put it on live TV. I'm trying to figure out where the other EF3 and other tornado where located. Anybody know? 12:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)The infobox says 34 deaths but the list of tornadoes only total to 19 currently. 15:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Semi-Protect for Vandalism I've noticed there have been a few unreliable sources and frequent edits here so I am suggesting this page be self-protected for a little bit due to vandalism.
22:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)I don't believe it's been bad enough to warrant protecting. Most edits have been constructive. 23:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC) Titles Can we please start capitalizing every important word in a title?
Like you're supposed to? 2020 Easter Tornado Outbreak. 03:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Not by the hair on my chinny chin-chin! We need readers to discern between proper titles and things people say. Call your state legislator, get an official proclamation (or formal resolution), then we can talk turkey.
04:11, 14 April 2020 (UTC) MOS dictates using sentence case in article titles. Tornado outbreak is not a proper noun. 04:28, 14 April 2020 (UTC)No. We're not capitalizing every word like books in the way one would be taught at school. 08:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC).
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